The Record
podcast · Aug 6, 2026 · Making Shooters Better

Lethal Force: You Had Seconds. The Prosecution & the Jury Have All the Time in the World

Terry Vaughan · buzzsprout.com · 92 min

What happens when a decision made in a fraction of a second is later examined for months, or even years, by attorneys, experts, judges, investigators, and jurors? In this episode of Making Shooters Better, Terry sits down with Lewis “Von” Kliem, a nationally recognized expert in use-of-force law, constitutional policing, human performance, and police practices. With more than 30 years in the criminal justice profession, Von has served as a police officer, prosecutor, legal advisor, military attorney, educator, policy specialist, and litigation consultant. He currently serves as the Chief Consu

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